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Hi, Lonnie, SH Attached are the SWAN 2nd source comparision table. Please help review it. Thanks! |
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Hi Mr. Yoon and JW, From our point of view, it's better to start 2nd source introduction from now on because there are too many materials in shortage based on the current materials L/T. I summarized L/T comparison table for your reference. Besides, 1. Fii will need two rounds sample build because some 2nd source that we need to re-layout. I also attach the schedule for your reference. 2. Please confirm whether ALT agree to kick off those 2nd source introduction by 10/7. 3. Please comment whether ALT requires any sample q'ty on reliability or development q'ty, the samples that you needed to develop, by 10/8. |
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Hi, Sheila What means "Will need ALT's help to designate this component" of non-QVL parts? Best regards Lonnie Kim |
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Hi Lonnie, I've explained on 10/1 weekly meeting. According to Fii company policy, we are allowed to use components from QVL, qualified vendor list, only unless it's required by the customer. |
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Hi, Sheila I commented your proposal. 1. Schedule: ALT schematic review - Please provide 2nd source schematic by 10/14 for ALT review. 2. Hallo Microelectronics(HL7593) - I cannot find homepage, please provide homepage and vendor introduction file(English version) Best regards Lonnie Kim |
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Hi Lonnie, Do you mean that ALT agrees to kick off the 2nd source that we listed? |
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Hi Ms. Sheila Tu, What shall we agree to ? Do we agree on components that you will changes ? Or do we agree on your action for 2nd source introduction ? We agree on the 2nd source introduction for preparation of material shortage. But we cannot designate which components should be used for it. It should be selected by yourself and you also should provide with its test report for validation of its performance. We can accept these changes after review of your test report. So please let us know what we should agree on. |
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Hi Mr. Yoon, 1. Aren't you asking Fii to provide the schedule and the component comparison (spec, L/T, SW impaction) for your reference so that you could judge whether agree to kick-off this 2nd source introduction? According to experience in Eagle project, ALT said that you also have rules that you need Fii to follow, so we summarized the documents that you needed. Hope it could help ALT to check whether it impacts pre-test/KC, sample q'ty, required testing items in advance so that Fii could work with ALT to pull in the overall schedule as earlier as possible. Please correct us if we misunderstood anything about the policy that ALT required in 2nd source introduction. 2. Once ALT agrees to kick-off 2nd source introduction, RD will verify the 2nd source to make sure it could meet their expectation. Once RD confirms the 2nd source is workable, we will arrange the reliability testing and control run to verification from different perspectives. As your requirement, we will provide the report, and discuss whether ALT agrees Fii issue ECR for these 2nd sources into SWAN BOM list. 3. Do you mean that ALT could not help to designate non-QVL materials by email even if it's just paperwork only? |
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Hi Mr.Yoon, Please refer to the attachment for the 2nd source reliability test plan, including test items, schedule and sample q'ty. Please review it and confirm to us if there is no question with our QA plan. For the RD test, we will follow the HW DVT test plan in the SWAN project. Please let us know if there is any further questions. Thanks! Regards, Sean |
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Hi, Sheila Please refer to attached sample q'ty at each stage. In addition, please reply below my request. "I commented your proposal. 1. Schedule: ALT schematic review - Please provide 2nd source schematic by 10/14 for ALT review. 2. Hallo Microelectronics(HL7593) - I cannot find homepage, please provide homepage and vendor introduction file(English version)" Best regards Lonnie Kim |
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Hi, Sheila I attached HW validation items for each components. Best regards Lonnie Kim |
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Hi Lonnie, 1. As far as I know, we have never provided the schematic. Please let us know the purpose of this requirement. 2. Please refer to the below link https://halomicro.com/ 3. Reliability testing q'ty Would you please also comment for the reliability q'ty that ALT required? *We recommend that ALT follow Fii’s internal rules. Please check the document that Sean provided in https://mantis.cnsbg.foxconn.com/vaas/view.php?id=1357#c8386. |
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Hi, Sheila We provided final schematics through mantis. Please refer to below link. https://mantis.cnsbg.foxconn.com/vaas/view.php?id=1346 Best regards Lonnie Kim |
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Hi, Sheila Regarding Reliability testing q'ty, we requested and tested 20set at Eagle's 2nd source. BTW, what means of "cost" at each reliability test items? Best regards Lonnie Kim |
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Hi Lonnie, 1. I've discussed with Sean that RD could rework PCBA if we follow QA policy to prepare 5pcs DUT only for reliability. It could help to pull in P2P 2nd source schedule. If ALT requires 20pcs DUT on reliability, we have to wait our factory to arrange DUTs. The sample build schedule also will be limited by materials status. It will take a long time to complete the whole process and impact your biz team's shipping plan to SKB. Please double confirm the q'ty that you need. 2. The cost means the fee QA will charge. |
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Hi Mr. Yoon, May I have your help to comment ALT's conclusion for 2nd source introduction? |
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Hi Ms. Sheila Tu, Due to global material shortage, we have no choice. So we agree to start 2nd source introduction based on below conditions. -. All the cost for 2nd source introduction should be discussed with our Biz team. -. Non-QVL components is not familiar to us. So if we are not responsible for performance, quality and lead time on these components, we can designate those components.(it should be commented on our designation letter) As you commented on weekly CC yesterday, we just help to buy it. -. We accept 5 DUTs for Reliability test -. Schedule : It should be pull-in. Currently we have trouble to prepare materials now. We need much extra cost. So it should be pull-in the schedule, and reduce extra cost to buy materials from Spot market. If you have any concern, please let us know. |
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Hi, Lonnie item 10 MP2338 is the DC/DC power IC locate on AMP board. Because AMP board is designed by ALT. So, PLS help to modify schematic and PCB layout. Attached is the SILERGY SY8263AIC datasheet for you reference. Thanks ! MP2338 2nd source.png (5,575 bytes) |
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Hi, Lonnie Update SILERGY SY8263AIC datasheet . Thanks ! |
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Hi, Tom I have a question about Silergy part(MP2338GTL-Z -> SY8263AIC) Another Silergy parts change to other vendor. I think Silergy have delivery issue. Why do you change to SIlergy in spite of above issue? Best regards Lonnie Kim |
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Hi, Sheila SY8120 has 224days of delivery, and FR9811 has 252 days of delivery. Why do you change SY8120 to FR9811 in spite of longer delivery? Best regards Lonnie Kim |
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Hi Lonnie, Because Silergy SY8120IABC is in shortage worldwide. Due to the semiconductor shortage, we have to consider not only their official lead time but also their supply capacity. |
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Hi, Lonnie reply 0001357:0008430 MP2338GTL-Z is MPS part number, L/T is 532 day. SY8263AIC is Silergy part number, L/T is 252 day. So we suggest SY8263AIC to replace MP2338GTL-Z. Thanks ! |
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Hi, Sheila As I questioned to Tom, why do you plan to use Silergy parts? "SY8120 has 224days of delivery, and FR9811 has 252 days of delivery. Why do you change SY8120 to FR9811 in spite of longer delivery?" As you commented, Silergy parts worldwide shortage in now. Best regards Lonnie Kim |
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Hi Lonnie, I have commented that we have to consider not only their official lead time but also their supply capacity. |
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Hi, Lonnie I have some questions about HW calidation test items 1. Voltage accuracy (Vin): Is it means line regulation ? If yes, the LDO and DC/DC should powered from DC power supply. 2. Power efficiency: Are you sure LDO need to be test at this item ? |
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Hi, Tom Regarding Voltage accuracy (Vin), this item sourced your test item at Eagle's 2nd source test report. Regarding Power efficiency, if changed parts are LDO, there are no need to test. Best regards Lonnie Kim |
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Hi Mr.Yoon, Please refer to the SWAN 2nd source introduction status as attached. We will provide some testing reports for ALT review by this Friday. Please review attached file and let us know if you have any questions. Thanks, Regards, Sean |
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Hi, Lonnie Attached are the P2P part test report. Please help to review it. Thanks ! |
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Hi, Lonnie Correct GMT (G2986K21U) ripple test result. Thanks ! SWAN 2nd source GMT G2986K21U.png (61,716 bytes) |
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Hi, Lonnie Update the excel file again. |
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Hi,Tom lee SWAN P2P part review result -> 2nd source p2p part confirmed Thank you jung |
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Hi, Jung Attached are the reliability and EMI test report for 3peak 1.8V and 2.5V LDO. 1.8V LDO: 3peak TPL740F18-5TR 2.5V LDO: 3peak TPL740F25-5TR Both test result are pass. Thanks ! LF_001.gif (32,622 bytes) LF_002.gif (33,522 bytes) |
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HI Mr. Yoon, Please see attached for the updated schedule. Thanks. 1st phase TI LP5024RSMR--> Awinic AW21024QNR(P2P) TI LP5036RJVR--> Awinic AW21036QNR(non P2P) Silergy SY8824CAIC--> Halo Microelectrics HL7593(non P2P) MPS MP2338GTL-Z--> TMI TMI3343B(non P2P) 2nd phase Realtek RTL8211F-CG--> Motorcomm YT8531C(version B/P2P) TI TLV75525PDBVR-->3peak TPL740F25-5TR (P2P) DIODES AP7366-18W5-7-76--> 3peak TPL740F18-5TR (P2P) MPS MP1605GTF-Z--> GMT G2262TR1U (P2P) TI TPS51206DSQR--> GMT G2986K21U (P2P) Nexperia 74LVC125APW-->DIODES 74LVC125AT14-13 (P2P) BTW, can you help to provide the Fedex account & recipient information for sending samples to ALT? Thank you. |
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HI Mr.Yoon & Lonnie, I'd like to check if you can provide additional samples 100-120pcs for TMI TMI3343B 2nd source control run to Fii VN factory? Thank you. |
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Hi, Lonnie Update DIODES 74LVC125AT14-13 test report. Please review it ! Thanks ! |
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Hi, Jung For 100uF/35V EC capacitor, because purchase issue. Fii's purchace suggest to use alternative part to replace SAMYUNG CLZ35VC100MH10TP. Base on thermal simulation result, temperature of EC Cap. at 50 degree C ambient are about 76 degree C. So 3KHR lift time is enough of this project. Can ALT agree to use lift time 3KHR to replace 5KHR ? Attached are the comparision table for you reference. Thanks ! |
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Hi, Tom Okay, We agree your proposal. But, we can accept about only Nichicon E-Cap. Best regards Lonnie Kim |
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Hi, Carey TMI sent TMI3343B 200pcs today. Please refer to attached documents. Tracking No.: 23 4020 8264 Best regards Lonnie Kim |
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Hi Tom DIODES 74LVC125AT14-13 test confirmed but Please test again after 5R67 5R68: 201/1005 -> 510/1005 rework. Best regards jung |
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Hi, Jung Update DIODES 74LVC125AT14-13 with 5R67 and 5R68 51ohm test report. Thanks ~ |
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Hi, Lonnie I add RUBYCON and PANASONIC in the list for you reference. The L/T of three vendors are as below. NICHICON: 336 day, SUSCON: 80 days, LELON: 180days. Considering L/T issue, can you agree to use SUSCON and LELON parts ? Thanks ! |
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Hi, Tom How about Rubycon and Panasonic? I think you use Samyoung E-cap during you ready to new parts. As I commented, we cannot confirm Suscon and Lelon parts. Best regards Lonnie Kim |
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Hi Tom DIODES 74LVC125AT14-13 test confirmed . Please proceed to the next step. Best regards jung |
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Hi, Lonnie reply 0001357:0008915 Rubycon: 315 days Panasonic: around 300 days Thanks~ |
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Hi, Joung Update non P2P materials RD validation test report and P2P reliability test report (3PEAK TPL740F25-5TR, 3PEAK TPL740F18-5TR). Thanks ! |
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Hi, Joung Update 2nd source EMI test report. The 2nd source EMI test result are the same as 1st source EMI test result. Thanks ! LF_002-2.gif (32,974 bytes) |
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Hi, Joung Update Motorcomm ethernet PHY YT8531C SI test report. Thanks ! |
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Hi, Sean Your 2nd source sample build didnot apply below ECO.(Mantis 0001408) https://mantis.cnsbg.foxconn.com/vaas/view.php?id=1408 For testing audio NUGU, it shall be apply above link. Best regards Lonnie Kim |
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Hi, Sean 0001357:0009429: Okay. confirmed. non P2P materials RD validation test report and P2P reliability test report (3PEAK TPL740F25-5TR, 3PEAK TPL740F18-5TR) Best regards Lonnie Kim |
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Hi, Sean We confirmed sample run of SWAN's 2nd source. Best regards Lonnie Kim |
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Hi, Tom Attached are the EMI test report for 2nd source - LED Driver IC - Awinic ( AW21036QNR & AW21024)QNR) - DC/DC POWER IC Halo(HL7593) - speak cable (SPEC_4AI20 -CMXX07,SPEC_4AI20 -CMXX06) test result are pass. Thanks ! |
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Hi, Lonnie Fii HWQA will start reliability test on 4/16 and finish test on 5/1. Attached is the reliability test plan for you reference. Thanks ~ Tom |
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Hi, Joung Update 4/19 reliability test result. Abnormal power on/off: 4/16~4/17, done , result: PASS. Thanks ~ Tom |
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Hi, Joung Update 4/21 reliability test result. High temperature & High humidity test: 4/18~4/21 , result: PASS Thanks ~ Tom |
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Hi, Joung Update 4/22 reliability test result. "Power On/Off with Temperature" and "Cold Start Test" are Pass. - Total test items: 9 items. - Pass items: 4 items. - Fail items: 0 item. - On-going item: 2 items. - Completed rate: 4/9 = 44% Thanks ~ Tom |
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Hi, Joung Update 4/25 reliability test result. "High temperature & humidity test (OP)" and "Hot Start Test" are Pass. - Total test items: 9 items. - Pass items: 6 items. - Fail items: 0 item. - On-going item: 2 items. - Completed rate: 6/9 = 67% I wil provide the test report of the six items for you. Thanks ~ Tom |
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Hi, Joung Attached is the reliability test report of the six items for you reference. Thanks~ Tom |
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Hi, Tom As I mentioned weekly CC, we need to below test report for ethernet PHY - RGMII timing - Ethernet SI test - CRC - Auto-neotiation - EMI(prepare to ALT) Best regards Lonnie Kim |
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Hi, Lonnie Do you mean that we need to retest RGMII timing and Ethernet SI of 2nd build sample? Thanks ~ Tom |
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Hi Mr. Tom Lee, SKB asked us to provide above test report when we provided SKB with Eagle 2nd source test report. So we asked you to provide it for SWAN 2nd source. If you already tested thoese test items, then you just provide it. But you didn't have it, then please test it. We already asked your team to provide it in weekly meeting. Best Regards, Suhyoung YOON |
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Hi, Joung Fii HWQA has finished reliability test, the test result of all items are pass. Attached are the test report for you reference. Thanks~ Tom |
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Hi Mr. Tom Lee, We asked CRC/Throughput/Auto-Nego(Gbit PHY) test weekly meeting. But I cannot find the test report in your report. Please let us know where the CRC/Throughput/Auto-Nego(Gbit PHY) test results are. Best Regards, SuhYoung YOON |
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Hi, Tom In addition, RGMII timing test and etnernet SI test(10/100/1000T) are need to submitting to SKB. Best regards Lonnie Kim |
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Hi, Lonnie Do you have any comments for reliability test report ? Becuase DC/DC power HL7593WL08, vendor Halo microelectronic is not Fii's QVL vendor. We need ALT to consign HL7593WL08. Please give me a feedback, I will provide CRC/Throughput/Auto-Nego(Gbit PHY)/RGMII timing test report on next Tuesday. Thanks ! Tom |
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Hi, Lonnie reply 0001357:0010017 I correct the word of "consign" to "designate". The correct should be "We need ALT to designate HL7593WL08". Thanks~ Tom |
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Hi, Lonnie reply 0001357:0009975 Attached are the GbE PHY 2nd source- Motorcomm YT8531C test report for you reference. Thanks ~ Tom |
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Hi Tom Could you provide below information about HL7593WL08(Halo Microelectornic) 1. Full part no.: 2. Vendor: 3. Supplier: 4. Supplier contact information:(person/phone no./e-mail, etc) 5. Material Cost: After receiving above information, we will give a confirmation. Best regards Lonnie Kim |
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Hi, Lonnie 1. Full part no.: HL7593WL08 2. Vendor: Halo Microelectronics 3. Supplier: Avnet, Inc 4. Supplier contact information:(person/phone no./e-mail, etc) person: John Hung phone no.: +886-922566932 e-mail: john.hung@avnet.com 5. Material Cost: sorry, I can't provide to you. Maybe you can contact PM or sales to get it. Thanks ~ Tom |
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Hi, Lonnie Update MDC/MDIO waveform of Realtek and Motorcomm PHY for each Eagle and SWAN project. Results are the same as you 10/19 provided. I also measure waveform at disable asleep mode for Eagle, the waveform are the same as enable asleep mode. Attached are the test report for you reference. Thanks ! Tom |
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Hi, Tom As I questioned e-mail, I means why MDC clock different with SWAN and Eagle. SWAN's clock is always oscillate, but Eagle's clock oscillate with data. Do you know that reason? As I know, MDI interface is international standard. So, I think MDC would be same. Best regards Lonnie Kim |
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Hi, Lonnie You have reworked SWAN RJ45 connector on Eagle PCBA and tested MOTORCOMM PHY disconnection issue before. Can you describe rework method and test method in detail ? Thanks ! Tom |
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Hi, Tom Our rework was as below 1. Remove transformer on board(Eagle) 2. Connect transformer(PHY side) and RJ-45 for SWAN(removed from SWAN board) 3. Check IP streaming at SWAN's RJ-45 connector Best regards Lonnie Kim |
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No more action. So, close this issue. |
- yk.jung ( (ALTech) Younkwang Jung ) developer
